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it's been 30 years more than 30 years

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that the United Nations resolution 33

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assembly at the United Nations in New

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York a UFO resolution that sounds kind

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of funny to people to only no UFOs from

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the mass media from Hollywood movies and

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so on it's quite funny to see that the

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UFO topic is has been so serious that it

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was even dealt with at the United

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Nations and I'm very happy that I have

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now the chance to speak to Lee Spiegel

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he's a producer brighter report and

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former host of NBC radios the edge of

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reality show he's hosted nearly 1,500

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programs on unexplained phenomena and he

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previously worked at Westwood One radio

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and ABC News and he's currently with the

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huffington post and he is the only

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person to have ever produced the

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presentation at the United Nations on

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the subject of UFOs welcome Lea well how

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are you doing today Rob fine thank you

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so how did you first become involved in

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this whole story well a couple years

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before the United Nations presentation

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and we're going back now to 1975 I put

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together I produced a documentary not a

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documentary for television but on on on

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a recording a vital record album and it

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was called UFOs the credibility factor I

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did this for CBS and it it kind of

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became an instant classic because it was

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the first time that a major company like

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CBS had given the go ahead and had

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committed to putting out a product about

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UFOs it was also the first time that

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such a product was

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advertised on television in a two-minute

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commercial and it was also the first

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time that many voices of people came

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together to talk about the UFO

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encounters military people some

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government people law enforcement and

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and the whole album came about because I

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had been reading about UFOs there was a

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big UFO wave in the United States at the

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time and I wanted to hear the voices of

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people involved and I thought that the

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public wanted to hear this too so I put

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this album together and we we released

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it in the beginning of 1976 and then a

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year later I started noticing that the

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country of Grenada was starting to make

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some waves at the United Nations its

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prime minister Eric Gary had gotten

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before the General Assembly and had

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tried to get the UN to pay attention to

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his interest in UFOs in his country of

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Grenada and he wanted the United Nations

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to put some kind of a committee together

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that would study UFOs share the

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information with other countries and I

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thought this was very interesting and I

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also noticed that the United Nations

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wasn't paying any attention to the guy

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so I came up with an idea I I wanted

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after doing the album in 1975 and

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releasing it in 76 I became Restless I

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to me it wasn't enough I wanted to do

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something more to make people aware of

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UFOs and and and I realized that you

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can't just walk in to the United Nations

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off the street and say hello may I do a

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United Nations UFO presentation please

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because you can't do that you have to be

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part of a delegation of a country that

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wants to to do this so since Eric Gary

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and Grenada were the only game in town

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they were the only ones talking about

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UFOs I sent a copy of my UFO album over

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to the Grenada mission to their

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ambassadors with a note saying please

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give this album to your Prime Minister

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with my compliments and I would love to

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be able to talk with him about an idea

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that i have about bringing UFOs to the

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United Nations so I became friendly with

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his ambassadors and had many meetings

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with them and they finally invited me to

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come to the United Nations on the night

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that Eric gary was knighted as Sir Eric

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Carrie because they said he wanted to

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meet me and so I went there that night

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it was it was an amazing experience and

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the Prime Minister and I had a private

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meeting he told me how much he liked my

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album and what could we do together I

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said well mr. prime minister with all

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due respect I can see that the United

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Nations isn't really paying a lot of

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attention to your crusade about UFOs now

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as you know all the people on my album

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are very credible people and I have more

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credible people that I can bring to a

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presentation if you would sponsor my

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presentation I will bring all these

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people together at that the United

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Nations will pay attention to with all

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due respect sir hence and so over a

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handshake we made a deal and and I

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started getting checks from the country

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of Grenada to pay for the work that i

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needed to do to to gather all the

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documents all the materials to pay for

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people's transportation to the United

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Nations and we were often running and

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that's how it started so so you started

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this whole campaign when when was one

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bar the United Nations first informed

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the fact that the grenadin missed the

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Canadian mission will introduce a

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resolution draft about about this issue

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well he began to talk about it in 1977

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my belief and and at the time he was

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drafting his resolution and it may have

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nearly been completed by the time that

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we had done our handshake to agree to do

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a presentation together but what the way

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it works at the UN at the UN today at

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some point during the year the General

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Assembly and all the important

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committees they take a vacation they

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take a break and then they reconvene in

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the fall of the year so what we did was

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in July of 1978 I'll we arranged to have

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a meeting during the summer at the

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United Nations with Secretary General

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Kurt Waldheim and the purpose of that

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meeting was to let him know what our

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plan was in November when we were going

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to do the actual presentation and so he

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the secretary-general wanted to know

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who's going to be there what's the

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purpose of it I believe at that point is

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when Eric re actually presented the

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resolution to the secretary-general and

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said here is what we formally would like

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to do at the United Nations and here are

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some of the people today who are going

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to help us with with bringing it to the

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attention of the world body and there

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were several pictures taken of all of us

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sitting around that table with the

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secretary-general and at least one of

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those pictures has become pretty famous

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it's been published many times around

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the world and books and magazines that

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show us their astronaut Gordon Cooper

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dr. J Allen Hynek dr. Jacques Vallee the

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secretary-general me and then that

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picture kind of let the public know that

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there was something coming up at the

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United Nations about UFOs for the first

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time what was the atmosphere during that

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meeting it was very cordial um I

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who were there seemed a little stiff and

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maybe that's because many scientists are

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very stiff that that that's that's a

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perception that the the public has had

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about scientists and science I think

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they were a little uncomfortable maybe a

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little overwhelmed because they were

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sitting among some pretty important

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people at the United Nations and and

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then they couldn't believe that they

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were actually there i was i was already

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working for NBC radio at the time or

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actually i know i shouldn't say that

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because that was in july of 1978 NBC

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hired me in october when they when they

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heard that I was putting the

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presentation together and they thought

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well maybe we should hire this guy to

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come on the air and do UFO reports so so

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in july i think i was just pretty i was

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so impressed with all the people that

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were sitting there at the table with me

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and I remember just saying to myself be

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cool stay cool this is this is a very

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amazing situation that you find yourself

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in you know like don't don't look at the

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cameras don't you know don't slouch over

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and you see you know don't do any weird

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bad habits because a lot of pictures of

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being taken just just be here be be very

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good and say what you want to say and

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then get out of here as fast as you can

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so then you you you you sit there and

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you you took all the precautions

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preparations you informed the Secretary

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General of your plan and then I do you

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think it was received from his part well

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from his part like I said III think that

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he was very cordial I learned later that

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that he had had a personal interest in

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UFOs but I didn't know what to what

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extent that interest

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was and and frankly I didn't care

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because all I knew was that I had been

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given the green light to go ahead and

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put this together and so now it was my

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job to spend the rest of the time

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between july and november to get the

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presentation ready that was that was all

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that I could focus on because I knew

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that the UN was basically expecting me

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to pull out a good show and and to get

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it together so I was I was just very

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focused and and if I actually I never

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saw or spoke to the secretary general

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again after that and that was fine

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because I didn't need to okay so what

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exactly did you present at the United

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Nations well what we did was we had

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several speakers lined up including

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astronomers J Allen Hynek Jacques Vallee

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an army helicopter captain Larry coin

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Stan Friedman and we were originally

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going to have astronaut Gordon Cooper

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who was with us at that July meeting but

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there was a schedule conflict and he

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wasn't able to be at the United Nations

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with us in November so what I did was to

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I asked him if he would make a a letter

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to draw a letter on that he would

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address to the ambassador's or to the

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Prime Minister grenada on his official

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letterhead and I said I want you to

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write a letter and in this letter I want

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you to talk about your personal beliefs

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about UFOs your personal experiences

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seeing UFOs and and what you think the

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united nations should do about

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investigating studying UFOs and so he

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wrote this letter he sent the letter to

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me and I made about a million copies of

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it because I had I had to take all of

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the materials and I've been gathering

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and submit them to the United Nations to

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have them translated into several

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languages

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I needed time to do all that and then

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once he sent me the letter and I had

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everything translated I then passed the

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original letter on to Grenada so they

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would have that in their files and that

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letter from Gordon Cooper to the United

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Nations has been published many many

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times in many documents and newspapers

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around the world since that time because

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he was the first astronaut to come out

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publicly like that to really voice his

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opinion about UFOs so it was all right

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that he wasn't actually at the United

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Nations in November because his letter

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was and that was important and I

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mentioned one of the speakers at the UN

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was a army captain Larry coin the reason

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I wanted him there was because he was

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the pilot of an army helicopter that was

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involved with an amazing UFO encounter

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in 1973 his story when it when it came

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out was one of the first stories that

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grabbed my attention about UFOs because

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after the encounter he had the Army did

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not try and keep him quiet about it they

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said if you want to talk to the press go

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ahead and talk to the press we don't

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care and he basically he was in command

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of a four-man helicopter crew flying

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over Ohio in the United States and they

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saw this object coming at them from the

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horizon and it was moving so fast they

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thought it was going to collide with

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their helicopter so all they could do

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was to sit there and assume that they

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were going to die but instead of

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colliding with the helicopter the object

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stopped and it moved directly above the

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helicopter and it shined a green light

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into their cockpit everything in the

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cockpit was bathed in a green glow and

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as they SAT there wondering what this

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was they could look up and see that it

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was it was a giant cigar-shaped craft it

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had no wings no tail it just looked like

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a giant cigar shaped thing

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and suddenly the helicopter was pulled

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up and it rose several thousand feet in

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a matter of seconds this thing just

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pulled the helicopter up and then there

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was a bump and the helicopter was

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released by the UFO the UFO took off

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well these guys landed several people on

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the ground also saw this happening and

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when they landed they went to

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headquarters and said we're not going to

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keep quiet about this you know we almost

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died up there we're going to talk about

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this so their story came out really fast

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and made headlines and then I decided

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well I want this guy to come to the

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United Nations and tell his story and he

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said he wanted to because he was one of

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the people on my UFO album that i put

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together in 1975 and he said i would

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like to come to the UN and to be one of

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your speakers but you're going to have

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to get permission from the army to let

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me come to New York to do that and so I

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called his superior officers in Ohio and

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they said well we will allow captain

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calling to come there on one condition I

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said okay what's the condition they said

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we don't want him to appear in his

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uniform if you don't mind that he can go

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there dressed in a civilian suit but he

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can't go there in an official military

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capacity and I said is that it is that

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the condition they said yes and I said

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you know what I'll buy him a suit if I

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have to I don't care what he wears you

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know you got a deal and so when you see

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pictures of him at the United Nations

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that's why he's in a regular suit and

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not his uniform okay and you also had J

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Allen Hynek who at that time was not

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acted for the United States Air Force

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anymore is that correct that's right he

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and J Allen Hynek used to be the

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official scientific consultant to the

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Air Force to the project blue book he

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basically was the man that the Air Force

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would send all

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the country when they were big UFO

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sightings and his job was essentially to

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explain it all away debunk it and just

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make it go away so how did you I mean

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how did you manage to to convince him to

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take part of this Pro UFO initiative at

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the United Nations oh it was easy he was

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one of my main speakers on my UFO album

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again 1975 this is why that album to me

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is so important if it was you know you

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know you hear you hear this word

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disclosure that people are always using

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now about UFOs it's time for disclosure

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people are now disclosing their

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information well we didn't use that word

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disclosure back in the 1970s but

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basically that's what I was doing I was

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disclosing information about UFOs first

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on my album and then at the United

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Nations so hi Nick and I became friends

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in 1975 when he was one of the first

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scientists to to put his voice on my

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album and so the album was out there it

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did very well he was very impressed with

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it so then the following year when I

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started thinking about the United

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Nations he was the first person I called

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and I said look I've got this idea I

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want to do this thing at the United

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Nations do you want to do it with me and

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he said absolutely and he wrote me a

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letter that that you can see on my

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website Lee Spiegel com where his letter

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basically says I want to be there at the

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United Nations with you here's why I

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think it's important that that we do

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something on an international scale I've

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always wanted to bring it to the United

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Nations let me know what I can do to

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help you and that's how he got involved

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with it okay so um you had all these

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famous people you had Jacques Vallee

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include flare from France I don't know

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if if the French already had their civil

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their civilian UFO investigation

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department at that time or well they had

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it was actually a unofficial the poor

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mancala Japan ah and the head of Japan

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was astronomer clodpole hair and because

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he was friendly with dr. Hynek Hynek

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brought him to America to be part of

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that July meeting that we had with the

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Secretary General in 1978 and if you

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look at that famous picture of all of us

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there you see po hair sitting next to

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dr. Hynek and and soap oh here it was

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great to meet him because I was not

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aware of who he was until dr. Hynek said

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to me would you mind if we bring dr. pol

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harun from france because he's in charge

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of their official government UFO office

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and I said of course absolutely you know

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bring him in and so so that that's how

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France became involved with the project

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and obviously the the meeting that you

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had back in July 90 of 1978 with the

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secretary-general stirred a lot of

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attention as we learn from British

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government documents released back in

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March 2011 I'm amazing it I have to tell

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you you know I i was i was working for

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AOL News Huffington Post last year when

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those documents were released and so

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that was like 33 years after my un

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presentation right so my my editor said

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to me these new documents have been

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released by the British government why

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don't you do a story about it and I said

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all right fine you know might be a good

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story and and I started looking at the

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documents and the first story that I

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read about them was written by the BBC I

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in England because they I think they

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were among the first media companies to

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actually get those documents so I wanted

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to see what they wrote about the

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documents and I'm reading a story and it

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says among the documents just released

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by our British government are some some

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key documents that talk about how

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oh great britain tried to stop a 19 77

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and 78 presentation at the United

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Nations on UFOs I went what what what

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what what did i just read Great Britain

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tried to stop what I went back and I

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read it over again I went wait a minute

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that was my presentation England tried

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to prevent my presentation wait a minute

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this something's wrong here so I I said

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why am i learning about this now 33

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years later so I I went back to my

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editor and I said look this story that

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you wanted me to write about the

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documents it has now become personal

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because now it's involving something

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that I did 33 years ago can I turn the

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story around and make it a more personal

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story because I want to find out what

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this is all about he said yeah sure go

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do it so the first thing i did was i

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pick up the phone and I called nick pope

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in London Nick for three years was the

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the head of the British government UFO

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office at the Ministry of Defence he did

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this between 1991 and 1994 and I also

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knew that because of his involvement

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with the British government when Great

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Britain released new documents about

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UFOs they always gave him the dot him

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the documents first so he could go over

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them as a courtesy to him before they

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release them to the public so I wanted

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to talk to Nick and see what he knew

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about these documents about my

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presentation so I call him up first

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thing he said to me was I've been

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expecting your call ah that's I said oh

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really you've been expecting my call

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okay tell me about your country and my

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un presentation he said well apparently

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great britain at the time in 1978 felt

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that it would not be a good idea for the

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United Nations to do anything about UFOs

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especially to acknowledge

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UFOs even exist because they felt that

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the United Nations would fall into

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disrepute that people would no longer

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think of the United Nations as a

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credible entity I went well so they

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gotta pick on me they decided to stop my

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presentation they could have been any

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other things that they could have done

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that could cause them non credibility in

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the world why do they have to choose

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UFOs he said because this is a very

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touchy subject matter well part of what

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what happened when Nick was with the

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Ministry of Defense he told me

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exclusively and I wrote a separate story

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about this it was part of his job to

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debunk UFOs they called it spin and

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dirty tricks that they played on the

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public and the media and I said well

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what does that mean he said I was told

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to to draft press memos and information

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that we gave to the press and to the

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public where we downplayed UFOs and we

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tried to make all UFOs go away and I

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said well why did you do that why the

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British government want to do that he

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said because we were concerned that we

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didn't want the public to know that

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there were actually things operating in

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our skies that we had no control over so

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we had to quiet it as much as we could I

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went wow that's amazing and it excuse me

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and it seems that the the United Nations

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or the the permanent missions to the

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United Nations at that time back in

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nineteen seventy eight were also afraid

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that this subject would eventually

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become a serious subject and they they

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tried to according to the British

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government documents here i'm quoting

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from a from a telegram from november

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24th Miley 78 where the united nations

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are the the the british permanent

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mission is instructed to oppose the

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resolution draft by cremita and to try

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to convince Grenada to to let go of that

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idea to establish a UN body to

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investigate UFOs and here it says it

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says the idea is to let mr. Gary have

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his day waiting until he has left New

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York before attempting to negotiate

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compromise with the Grenada mission

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which will ideally require minimal or

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even know UN involvement at no

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additional UN expenditure various ideas

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are beginning to be discussed in the

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corridors we may be able to report after

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Monday's meeting which look worth

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considering how do you feel when you

541
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:25,200
when you read those lines it's amazing

542
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:28,029
Rob ah and you're absolutely right that

543
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,400
you said that memo was written in on

544
00:27:28,029 --> 00:27:35,410
November 24th that was three days before

545
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:38,140
my presentation and it was it's amazing

546
00:27:35,410 --> 00:27:41,470
to me now that I was just learning about

547
00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:46,840
this as i said 33 years after it all

548
00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:50,950
went down i listened on the one hand I I

549
00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:54,069
can understand why many countries didn't

550
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:56,259
and probably still don't want to talk

551
00:27:54,069 --> 00:27:58,809
about UFOs there are many reasons for

552
00:27:56,259 --> 00:28:01,990
that yeah there aren't there are not a

553
00:27:58,809 --> 00:28:03,849
lot of leaders of countries who would

554
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:06,220
like to give up what they call their

555
00:28:03,849 --> 00:28:07,480
power over their citizens they don't

556
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:10,569
want the public to know that there's

557
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:13,329
maybe maybe new sources of energy that

558
00:28:10,569 --> 00:28:15,609
we could we could use based on UFO

559
00:28:13,329 --> 00:28:19,119
technology because what would happen to

560
00:28:15,609 --> 00:28:22,419
all the companies that rely on unlike

561
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:26,319
the oil industry for example for energy

562
00:28:22,420 --> 00:28:29,890
there are many repercussions are even

563
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:33,279
today of why countries should want to

564
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:35,020
keep quiet about UFOs but it's hard for

565
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,990
them to do because more and more people

566
00:28:35,019 --> 00:28:41,109
now are seeing these things in the sky

567
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:42,940
because of all but the iphone cameras

568
00:28:41,109 --> 00:28:46,329
and the digital cameras and people are

569
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:47,980
always holding cameras now one of the

570
00:28:46,329 --> 00:28:50,139
problems with that of course is that you

571
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:55,120
can also fake a lot of stuff to on the

572
00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:56,710
internet but so I understand why

573
00:28:55,119 --> 00:29:00,579
the United Nations why many of the

574
00:28:56,710 --> 00:29:02,740
countries wanted to keep it quiet in in

575
00:29:00,579 --> 00:29:06,970
the end it was mostly the soviet union

576
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:10,660
and the united states that the past the

577
00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:15,160
veto to try and get other countries to

578
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:18,279
back down and coincidentally was it a

579
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:23,170
coincidence a few months later at the

580
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:26,410
beginning of 1979 suddenly Sir Eric Gary

581
00:29:23,170 --> 00:29:29,019
was overthrown in a political coup in

582
00:29:26,410 --> 00:29:31,690
his country and and when that happened

583
00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:35,369
and he was no longer in power suddenly

584
00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:37,960
the UFO resolution quietly went away

585
00:29:35,369 --> 00:29:41,678
because no other country wanted to pick

586
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:44,620
up on it now what's what's amazing is

587
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:50,800
that in those British government files

588
00:29:44,619 --> 00:29:55,299
of from September 78 you can also see

589
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:57,250
how they tried to to to convince the

590
00:29:55,299 --> 00:29:59,589
Grenada mission to give up their

591
00:29:57,250 --> 00:30:01,539
proposal of the establishment of the UN

592
00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:04,000
body and to try to ease it up you know

593
00:30:01,539 --> 00:30:06,940
to lower costs for you and expenditure

594
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,920
and all right and this is actually the

595
00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:12,100
first document where I ever found any

596
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,289
involvement of a German of the Germans

597
00:30:12,099 --> 00:30:16,839
in this United Nations resolution here

598
00:30:14,289 --> 00:30:19,058
it says the Germans with Austrian

599
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:21,279
backing favor a group of experts to be

600
00:30:19,058 --> 00:30:23,230
appointed by the government of Grenada

601
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:25,029
which might be in you which might in due

602
00:30:23,230 --> 00:30:28,569
course report its findings to the

603
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:31,359
secretary-general and that's when I

604
00:30:28,569 --> 00:30:33,339
started to do my investigation and

605
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:36,250
looked at the political archives of the

606
00:30:33,339 --> 00:30:38,250
German Federal Foreign Office and i

607
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:41,470
found the documents as i've told you

608
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:44,319
yeah what's really interesting about the

609
00:30:41,470 --> 00:30:48,100
documents is one of them it's a telegram

610
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:51,700
from november 28th 1978 it specifically

611
00:30:48,099 --> 00:30:54,099
addresses the presentation that you that

612
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:57,069
you had I'm not sure if I it translated

613
00:30:54,099 --> 00:31:00,629
it correctly but I will do my best it

614
00:30:57,069 --> 00:31:02,589
says granada's resolution has granada's

615
00:31:00,630 --> 00:31:04,990
permanent mission has presented a

616
00:31:02,589 --> 00:31:07,299
resolution draft on UFOs at the special

617
00:31:04,990 --> 00:31:08,140
political committee which proposes the

618
00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:10,750
establishment

619
00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:12,940
of an expert group which is supposed to

620
00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:15,309
define the framework for un studies

621
00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:16,900
about the UFO phenomenon under the

622
00:31:15,309 --> 00:31:19,750
supervision of the outer space committee

623
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:22,660
now the German permanent mission says in

624
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:25,000
this telegram quite apart from the wider

625
00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:27,040
implications of such resolution draft

626
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,640
the reference to the outer space

627
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:33,159
committee alone has its misgivings as it

628
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:36,100
would in cure granadas desire to become

629
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,930
a member of the outer space committee

630
00:31:36,099 --> 00:31:40,599
which would therefore be constantly

631
00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:42,850
occupied with the UFO questions so you

632
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,679
see so you see the Germans they were

633
00:31:42,849 --> 00:31:47,169
actually concerned that the UFO subject

634
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,080
would be discussed constantly on an on a

635
00:31:47,170 --> 00:31:53,710
regular basis that it has this committee

636
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:54,970
it's interesting isn't it yeah and you

637
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:56,950
know as you were reading that I was

638
00:31:54,970 --> 00:31:59,440
thinking I can I can hear all the

639
00:31:56,950 --> 00:32:02,860
skeptics right now the UFO skeptics

640
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,420
applauding the Germans and saying yes we

641
00:32:02,859 --> 00:32:06,399
don't want to talk about UFOs because

642
00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:10,860
there's nothing to it well well there is

643
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:14,130
something to it and and I think that

644
00:32:10,859 --> 00:32:17,649
another factor that people forget is

645
00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:20,440
when it comes to to the subject of UFOs

646
00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:21,970
but not only did a lot of the

647
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,990
government's not want to have to explain

648
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:27,519
to their people what some of these

649
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:30,700
things were that we're flying around

650
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:34,420
this guys can you think of any

651
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:38,080
government on the planet whose military

652
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:40,720
leaders want to share information that

653
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:43,299
they have about UFOs nobody wants to

654
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,269
share the information everybody wants to

655
00:32:43,299 --> 00:32:48,460
get their hands on on their own UFO and

656
00:32:46,269 --> 00:32:51,609
try and figure out how they work Nick

657
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:55,180
Pope told me that after after Nick got

658
00:32:51,609 --> 00:32:57,969
the job at the Ministry of Defense one

659
00:32:55,180 --> 00:33:00,070
day one of his superior officers came in

660
00:32:57,970 --> 00:33:02,589
and apparently took the poster down off

661
00:33:00,069 --> 00:33:06,909
the wall and Nick never saw the picture

662
00:33:02,589 --> 00:33:10,269
again and in fact last year when British

663
00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:12,730
government released some some previously

664
00:33:10,269 --> 00:33:15,279
classified documents they released the

665
00:33:12,730 --> 00:33:17,319
story of that UFO picture but instead of

666
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:19,629
any picture all that you could see was a

667
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:22,230
little little hand drawing of what the

668
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:26,049
the diamond shaped UFO

669
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:29,159
and and Nick said basically the thinking

670
00:33:26,048 --> 00:33:32,200
was since this was considered a real

671
00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:35,679
unknown object by the British government

672
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:39,880
ah and we didn't have one of these in

673
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:42,340
our own inventory we wanted it we wanted

674
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,289
something like this to figure out how it

675
00:33:42,339 --> 00:33:48,298
worked well that was the thinking it

676
00:33:44,288 --> 00:33:51,730
probably still is among many countries

677
00:33:48,298 --> 00:33:54,398
everybody wants to get a UFO everybody

678
00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:57,278
wants the technology to have superior

679
00:33:54,398 --> 00:33:59,769
technology and and so there have been

680
00:33:57,278 --> 00:34:02,470
many claims especially by the conspiracy

681
00:33:59,769 --> 00:34:05,740
theorists that the United States has

682
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:08,829
captured UFOs may be from Roswell New

683
00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:11,440
Mexico in 1947 the other countries have

684
00:34:08,829 --> 00:34:13,719
captured UFOs and they're trying to

685
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,480
figure out how the technology works my

686
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:21,368
question is like I'm always asking this

687
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:22,809
if so many UFOs have been crashing in

688
00:34:21,369 --> 00:34:24,730
different countries around the world

689
00:34:22,809 --> 00:34:27,719
what is this thing about their

690
00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:29,769
technology why are they crashing just

691
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,918
you know it's what's wrong with them

692
00:34:29,769 --> 00:34:35,378
yeah I would never I would never make

693
00:34:32,918 --> 00:34:39,668
any step into a UFO because they crash

694
00:34:35,378 --> 00:34:41,139
all the time like you got you guys if

695
00:34:39,668 --> 00:34:43,750
you guys are getting here from another

696
00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:45,909
planet or another solar system why are

697
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:48,519
you crashing on our planet yeah that's

698
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:51,700
the problem yeah now from reading the

699
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:54,179
German government files I just found it

700
00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:58,659
seems to me that the the grenadin

701
00:34:54,179 --> 00:35:00,430
resolution draft had to be avoided by

702
00:34:58,659 --> 00:35:02,588
the other delegations because they

703
00:35:00,429 --> 00:35:04,629
thought that it would it would cost a

704
00:35:02,588 --> 00:35:06,820
lot of money at the United Nations at

705
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:09,338
that time they were they were really

706
00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:11,260
concerned with the cost and they had so

707
00:35:09,338 --> 00:35:13,869
many new tasks that I think the outer

708
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:16,690
space committee had just been set up and

709
00:35:13,869 --> 00:35:21,369
they just wanted that you know they just

710
00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:23,139
wanted to to avoid costs and I know let

711
00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:24,910
me let me just quote let me just give

712
00:35:23,139 --> 00:35:27,759
you a required from the from the German

713
00:35:24,909 --> 00:35:31,269
government files it says here in a in a

714
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,450
report from September six 1978 so that's

715
00:35:31,269 --> 00:35:35,900
shortly after your

716
00:35:32,449 --> 00:35:39,679
our first presentation with the

717
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:41,480
secretary-general now this this quote

718
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:45,319
shows how they prove how they already

719
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:48,469
prepared this resolution to to be a dead

720
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,599
end okay so it says last year the other

721
00:35:48,469 --> 00:35:53,239
delegations had been in the awkward

722
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:56,420
situation or position to gracefully

723
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,338
decline grenadiers request in order to

724
00:35:56,420 --> 00:36:00,800
avoid embarrassment for the United

725
00:35:58,338 --> 00:36:03,349
Nations if Grenada still doesn't

726
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,300
understand that and at least in part

727
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:08,180
their action is aimed at gaining

728
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:10,190
publicity their item will probably be

729
00:36:08,179 --> 00:36:14,598
treated with much less scrutiny at the

730
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:17,570
33rd General Assembly and procedurally

731
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:19,369
killed that's I don't know if I

732
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:22,609
translate that correctly so killed in

733
00:36:19,369 --> 00:36:25,010
procedure and the next sentence explains

734
00:36:22,608 --> 00:36:27,739
what they mean with this they say

735
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:29,480
obviously to this effect the general

736
00:36:27,739 --> 00:36:32,179
secretary vitae time has already

737
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,369
suggested the establishment of an ad hoc

738
00:36:32,179 --> 00:36:38,449
committee in which only voluntary

739
00:36:34,369 --> 00:36:41,660
delegations become active yes exactly I

740
00:36:38,449 --> 00:36:44,000
mean even well long time maybe because

741
00:36:41,659 --> 00:36:46,848
of his own personal interest in UFOs he

742
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,010
was keeping the door open for any

743
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:52,519
countries who still wanted to

744
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:55,369
voluntarily participate in something to

745
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:58,489
share information we knew from the very

746
00:36:55,369 --> 00:37:02,710
beginning that the translation problems

747
00:36:58,489 --> 00:37:05,568
alone we're going to be huge because

748
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:07,369
only there are only three or four basic

749
00:37:05,568 --> 00:37:10,279
languages used that the United Nations

750
00:37:07,369 --> 00:37:13,220
so so there would have been some costs

751
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:16,400
of course to to have somebody translate

752
00:37:13,219 --> 00:37:18,379
things and to share them but when you

753
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,389
talk about the there'll be two too many

754
00:37:18,380 --> 00:37:22,640
costs no I don't go along with that

755
00:37:20,389 --> 00:37:24,318
almost every day the United Nations is

756
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:27,199
putting some new committee together all

757
00:37:24,318 --> 00:37:31,818
that we were trying to do was to to

758
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:33,919
create a very small committee and like

759
00:37:31,818 --> 00:37:36,529
you said an ad hoc committee we were

760
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,559
looking to get three people three

761
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:44,089
representatives I even was volunteering

762
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:45,920
to be one of those people um just a few

763
00:37:44,088 --> 00:37:47,710
people who would sit

764
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,079
they're in a little office maybe and

765
00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:52,940
start getting information from countries

766
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:55,670
around the world who wanted to share

767
00:37:52,940 --> 00:37:58,068
information that that's all that we were

768
00:37:55,670 --> 00:38:00,108
doing that would not have cost a lot of

769
00:37:58,068 --> 00:38:02,000
money wouldn't have involved a lot of

770
00:38:00,108 --> 00:38:05,179
man-hours I'm sure that the United

771
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,789
Nations wastes a lot more money than we

772
00:38:05,179 --> 00:38:10,399
were asking them to supply for this kind

773
00:38:07,789 --> 00:38:12,949
of adventure now the bottom line was

774
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,920
that the bigger countries like the

775
00:38:12,949 --> 00:38:18,889
United States and the Soviet Union

776
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:22,460
didn't want any attention put on two

777
00:38:18,889 --> 00:38:25,460
UFOs they had to stop it at all costs

778
00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:27,798
and and that's what happened and so they

779
00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:30,710
basically embarrassed it wasn't Grenada

780
00:38:27,798 --> 00:38:33,079
who is embarrassed it was great britain

781
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:37,068
it was maybe Germany who were

782
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:39,349
embarrassed to the point or intimidated

783
00:38:37,068 --> 00:38:42,259
might be a better word they basically

784
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:44,420
said you know you people should kind of

785
00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:46,760
get on board with the United States and

786
00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:49,548
Soviet Union because if we don't want

787
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,740
anything coming out about UFOs then you

788
00:38:49,548 --> 00:38:54,829
don't either you know pay attention to

789
00:38:51,739 --> 00:38:57,259
to our lead and everything will be fine

790
00:38:54,829 --> 00:39:00,680
and I'm sure that those were the kind of

791
00:38:57,260 --> 00:39:02,690
discussions that happened if that's the

792
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:05,960
only thing that makes sense and like I

793
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:09,048
said was it just a coincidence that Sir

794
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:12,829
Eric Gary's entire future political

795
00:39:09,048 --> 00:39:15,588
future went away when his his political

796
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:17,960
structure was overthrown just a few

797
00:39:15,588 --> 00:39:22,568
months after our presentation at the

798
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:24,980
United Nations boy tell us about you

799
00:39:22,568 --> 00:39:27,858
well that's that's just a question that

800
00:39:24,980 --> 00:39:29,809
I raised I can't prove that I'm not even

801
00:39:27,858 --> 00:39:34,190
going to try and prove it but it was a

802
00:39:29,809 --> 00:39:37,700
big coincidence I thought yeah so can

803
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:39,858
you describe me how was how was a prime

804
00:39:37,699 --> 00:39:43,298
minister sir eric gary as a person how

805
00:39:39,858 --> 00:39:48,558
was he what was your impression of him

806
00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:54,230
he was very I found him to be a very

807
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:56,780
arrogant man I found that once he wanted

808
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:59,088
to talk about something he didn't really

809
00:39:56,780 --> 00:39:59,810
want to let anybody else have have any

810
00:39:59,088 --> 00:40:03,110
other

811
00:39:59,809 --> 00:40:06,400
say in the matter and the this was

812
00:40:03,110 --> 00:40:10,490
something that became apparent to me and

813
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:13,070
to some of my other speakers on the day

814
00:40:10,489 --> 00:40:14,989
of the presentation there were there

815
00:40:13,070 --> 00:40:17,180
were two separate meetings on that day

816
00:40:14,989 --> 00:40:19,699
on November 27 there was a morning

817
00:40:17,179 --> 00:40:22,219
session and an afternoon session and in

818
00:40:19,699 --> 00:40:25,399
between both sessions we had a press

819
00:40:22,219 --> 00:40:26,929
conference and and again there are a

820
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,940
couple of pictures that have been taken

821
00:40:26,929 --> 00:40:30,889
and then have gone around the world to

822
00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:33,740
show us sitting at the press conference

823
00:40:30,889 --> 00:40:36,829
and the only person you see talking is

824
00:40:33,739 --> 00:40:38,509
sarah carey and he started talking about

825
00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:41,799
things that almost had nothing to do

826
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:45,220
with UFOs he was doing some political

827
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,870
grandstanding if you if you will and

828
00:40:45,219 --> 00:40:50,750
there's there's one picture especially

829
00:40:47,869 --> 00:40:52,849
where I'm probably the only one who

830
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:56,269
notices this but you can you can almost

831
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:57,949
see the look in my eye when I'm looking

832
00:40:56,269 --> 00:41:00,289
directly at the Prime Minister and I'm

833
00:40:57,949 --> 00:41:01,969
thinking okay it's time for you to be

834
00:41:00,289 --> 00:41:05,029
quiet and let some of these other guys

835
00:41:01,969 --> 00:41:08,389
talk but he didn't want to and he took

836
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:10,460
over the press conference and and I was

837
00:41:08,389 --> 00:41:13,609
not happy about that at the time and you

838
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:15,440
can even see it a somehow the face of J

839
00:41:13,610 --> 00:41:20,450
Allen Hynek who's hiding behind his pipe

840
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:23,420
right yes hi I know I that's exactly

841
00:41:20,449 --> 00:41:26,929
right and I remember hi Nick and I we

842
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:29,240
talked about that many times after that

843
00:41:26,929 --> 00:41:31,129
he kept saying well why did why did he

844
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,229
bring us here you know if he didn't want

845
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:34,700
us to talk you know it was it's not

846
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:36,320
enough for us to talk in front of the

847
00:41:34,699 --> 00:41:38,059
committee but if we're going to talk in

848
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,789
front of the press well that's important

849
00:41:38,059 --> 00:41:43,159
too yeah I know I know exactly what you

850
00:41:40,789 --> 00:41:45,920
mean it was it became a little bit of a

851
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:48,469
circus and that didn't help the

852
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,289
credibility either of everything that I

853
00:41:48,469 --> 00:41:52,549
was trying to do there hmm now at that

854
00:41:51,289 --> 00:41:55,130
time back in nineteen seventy eight

855
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:57,830
there were like one would say almost

856
00:41:55,130 --> 00:42:00,740
kind of fractions of all the dedicated

857
00:41:57,829 --> 00:42:03,349
between the delegations that were the

858
00:42:00,739 --> 00:42:06,469
group of the nine for example the group

859
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:08,630
of the unbound states and the the the

860
00:42:06,469 --> 00:42:10,669
communist bloc and all that and and

861
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:12,849
Grenada I didn't actually belong to any

862
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:15,639
of those groups may be unbound

863
00:42:12,849 --> 00:42:17,920
it's made at least not it was not a

864
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,679
delegation at anybody took very

865
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,298
seriously right well and that's that's

866
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,460
the reason why it's one of the reasons

867
00:42:22,298 --> 00:42:26,768
why i approached grenada in the first

868
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:30,789
place was because they were just a

869
00:42:26,768 --> 00:42:32,978
little tiny caribbean country didn't

870
00:42:30,789 --> 00:42:36,039
really belong or wasn't part of him like

871
00:42:32,978 --> 00:42:38,228
another group as you say and and yet but

872
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:42,160
they were the only country that was

873
00:42:38,228 --> 00:42:46,058
talking about UFOs and and for my

874
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:48,639
purposes i needed to be part of a

875
00:42:46,059 --> 00:42:50,410
country to in order to get my

876
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:52,358
presentation done i mean what was I

877
00:42:50,409 --> 00:42:54,848
going to do is I'm going to go go to the

878
00:42:52,358 --> 00:42:56,710
United States mission or go to go to

879
00:42:54,849 --> 00:42:59,079
Washington and march into the White

880
00:42:56,710 --> 00:43:01,119
House and say will you let me produce a

881
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,859
presentation for our country well no

882
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:06,039
that was that's not going to happen I

883
00:43:02,858 --> 00:43:08,558
needed to be part of a delegation that

884
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:12,450
would allow me to do it and to give me a

885
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:15,400
free hand at it too and for a while

886
00:43:12,449 --> 00:43:19,509
grenada let me do what I wanted to I

887
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,160
didn't know that Eric gary was going to

888
00:43:19,509 --> 00:43:25,088
try and take over the press conference

889
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:27,639
when he did I had no idea all that I

890
00:43:25,088 --> 00:43:29,498
knew was that he he gave me the green

891
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:31,210
light to go ahead and put together the

892
00:43:29,498 --> 00:43:35,098
presentation to bring the speakers that

893
00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:38,728
I wanted to bring and in fact Rob on

894
00:43:35,099 --> 00:43:42,690
most of the people who who were there

895
00:43:38,728 --> 00:43:46,899
like like Alan Hynek the shock valet

896
00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:50,108
even even the army captain coin none of

897
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:54,940
them actually said that they thought

898
00:43:50,108 --> 00:43:57,400
that UFOs were technology from another

899
00:43:54,940 --> 00:43:59,739
planet the only person who did that in

900
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,048
the afternoon session was nuclear

901
00:43:59,739 --> 00:44:05,108
physicist Stanton Friedman but he's

902
00:44:02,048 --> 00:44:06,940
always said that and that that's that's

903
00:44:05,108 --> 00:44:09,248
what he does that's what he lectures on

904
00:44:06,940 --> 00:44:11,710
but the other guys they wanted to keep

905
00:44:09,248 --> 00:44:14,018
it as straight forward and neutral as

906
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:16,539
possible all that they wanted to get

907
00:44:14,018 --> 00:44:19,389
across was there's something going on

908
00:44:16,539 --> 00:44:21,190
all around the planet we should study

909
00:44:19,389 --> 00:44:25,028
here and and what about the prime

910
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:26,240
minister Gary Gary himself but it

911
00:44:25,028 --> 00:44:29,690
usually

912
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:33,259
he claimed that he had had more than one

913
00:44:29,690 --> 00:44:36,289
encounter in his country that many

914
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:39,530
people had seen UFOs in Grenada and I

915
00:44:36,289 --> 00:44:44,059
think maybe part of what he wanted to do

916
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:46,130
was to get more tourism dollars to come

917
00:44:44,059 --> 00:44:48,079
into his country I understand that

918
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:50,059
that's that's part of what every country

919
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:52,000
wants they want to raise money they want

920
00:44:50,059 --> 00:44:57,079
to bring tourists then it's the economy

921
00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:00,199
fine I understand that and I didn't mind

922
00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:02,029
that all that I knew was here was a

923
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:04,309
country that was going to let me put

924
00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:07,280
something together at the united nations

925
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:09,889
that had never been done before and as

926
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:12,619
long as they stay off my back and give

927
00:45:09,889 --> 00:45:14,659
me enough money to do what I needed to

928
00:45:12,619 --> 00:45:17,090
do that's what I'm looking for because

929
00:45:14,659 --> 00:45:19,460
the credibility alone of the people that

930
00:45:17,090 --> 00:45:22,809
I would bring their should make a

931
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:27,650
difference and and even even to this day

932
00:45:22,809 --> 00:45:28,909
Jacques valet I told me recently even

933
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:32,150
though we didn't get what we originally

934
00:45:28,909 --> 00:45:35,569
set out to do at the UN that the event

935
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:37,880
itself was a milestone in the field of

936
00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:39,859
UFOs and people still say that and I'm

937
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,320
very proud of that I'm proud that I was

938
00:45:39,858 --> 00:45:44,569
part of it and that we were able to pull

939
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,750
together no one has done it since then

940
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:49,609
but now this is more of a movement to go

941
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:52,159
back to the United Nations and try it

942
00:45:49,608 --> 00:45:56,358
again use it using the same resolution

943
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:58,399
in fact yeah so what are you going to go

944
00:45:56,358 --> 00:46:03,469
back and which country you're going to

945
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:09,559
choose Oh Seychelle Islands or I'm going

946
00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:13,269
back this afternoon actually know about

947
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:17,358
a month ago I was I was down in Arizona

948
00:46:13,269 --> 00:46:20,210
at the international UFO Congress that

949
00:46:17,358 --> 00:46:23,809
they have there every year and i was i

950
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:26,300
was honored when they named me the UFO

951
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:29,329
researcher of the year that was quite an

952
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:35,210
honor for me but among the people that I

953
00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:38,880
I met there was the retired general

954
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:42,088
Ricardo Bermudez from Chile

955
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,480
and the general is in charge of the

956
00:46:42,088 --> 00:46:49,318
Chilean government official UFO office

957
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:51,990
and he very seriously wants to unite

958
00:46:49,318 --> 00:46:54,538
with some other countries and try and

959
00:46:51,989 --> 00:46:59,098
bring this whole idea back to the United

960
00:46:54,539 --> 00:47:02,278
Nations using the same words that we had

961
00:46:59,099 --> 00:47:04,740
in our original resolution from 1978

962
00:47:02,278 --> 00:47:06,509
because all that stuff still works I

963
00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:08,639
mean it would still be nice to get the

964
00:47:06,509 --> 00:47:10,889
same kind of committee together to get

965
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:13,379
countries sharing information so the

966
00:47:10,889 --> 00:47:15,480
resolution nobody has to rewrite the

967
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:17,369
resolution we just use the same old one

968
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,949
and and see if there's a different

969
00:47:17,369 --> 00:47:23,160
climate now at the United Nations for

970
00:47:19,949 --> 00:47:26,250
talking about this because UFOs haven't

971
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:28,528
gone away they're not going away the

972
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:32,429
only problem is is that now there are

973
00:47:28,528 --> 00:47:34,889
too many more hoaxes now that are coming

974
00:47:32,429 --> 00:47:38,460
up on YouTube and on the internet it's

975
00:47:34,889 --> 00:47:41,038
so impossible now to determine which

976
00:47:38,460 --> 00:47:44,818
ones are real which ones aren't so what

977
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:47,940
do you think we would be now if that

978
00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:50,068
United Nations department had been

979
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:53,250
established at that time I mean if if

980
00:47:50,068 --> 00:47:55,139
grenada would have been successful what

981
00:47:53,250 --> 00:47:57,690
do you think you will follow g UFO

982
00:47:55,139 --> 00:48:00,629
research would have would have landed

983
00:47:57,690 --> 00:48:03,568
where would we be now that that's a

984
00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:06,150
really good question and and you know

985
00:48:03,568 --> 00:48:08,099
now that I'm thinking about it I don't

986
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:13,710
think anyone has asked me that in all

987
00:48:08,099 --> 00:48:15,690
these years and and so to try and give

988
00:48:13,710 --> 00:48:19,798
you a thoughtful answer I think that if

989
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:23,490
if the agency had been created and if a

990
00:48:19,798 --> 00:48:26,670
new attitude had come out of that an

991
00:48:23,489 --> 00:48:30,209
attitude of sharing international

992
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:31,710
cooperation because what what what does

993
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:33,358
the United Nations what do all the

994
00:48:31,710 --> 00:48:36,028
nations actually share and cooperate on

995
00:48:33,358 --> 00:48:38,038
now it's it's mostly how do we avoid

996
00:48:36,028 --> 00:48:40,199
killing each other how do we avoid

997
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:42,930
getting involved with wars how do we

998
00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:48,000
deal with with famine and the problems

999
00:48:42,929 --> 00:48:52,440
of the economy nobody seems to on the

1000
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:54,150
surface want to talk about UFOs and yet

1001
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:58,349
knowing what I know now about how the

1002
00:48:54,150 --> 00:49:02,460
United States has learned about UFOs and

1003
00:48:58,349 --> 00:49:05,609
other countries um I I know that they're

1004
00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:08,400
still very interested in it but they

1005
00:49:05,608 --> 00:49:12,358
they want to keep downplaying it I think

1006
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:15,619
that have the committee been formulated

1007
00:49:12,358 --> 00:49:21,210
in an air of international cooperation

1008
00:49:15,619 --> 00:49:22,769
it's entirely possible that by now there

1009
00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:26,730
would have been some international

1010
00:49:22,769 --> 00:49:29,219
contact made with whoever the visitors

1011
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:31,769
are because I believe that we're being

1012
00:49:29,219 --> 00:49:33,959
visited I don't know who we're being

1013
00:49:31,769 --> 00:49:37,318
visited by I don't know where they come

1014
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:39,720
from I don't care frankly I just don't

1015
00:49:37,318 --> 00:49:42,300
care with all the planets that are being

1016
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:45,149
discovered now we now know hundreds and

1017
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:46,980
hundreds of planets and and now we find

1018
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:49,858
that more planets are being discovered

1019
00:49:46,980 --> 00:49:52,829
by the Kepler spacecraft that could be

1020
00:49:49,858 --> 00:49:54,568
habitable planets and and scientists now

1021
00:49:52,829 --> 00:49:58,050
think that there could be millions or

1022
00:49:54,568 --> 00:50:01,050
billions of planets just in our little

1023
00:49:58,050 --> 00:50:03,390
galaxies that could have intelligent

1024
00:50:01,050 --> 00:50:05,730
life so I'm one of those who believe

1025
00:50:03,389 --> 00:50:08,670
that when we're not alone so I don't

1026
00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:12,269
care where the visitors come from I know

1027
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:15,930
that I convinced that they're here and I

1028
00:50:12,269 --> 00:50:18,389
think that we would have been welcomed

1029
00:50:15,929 --> 00:50:20,909
into their galactic neighborhood by now

1030
00:50:18,389 --> 00:50:24,210
if our committee had gone through in

1031
00:50:20,909 --> 00:50:26,460
1978 it would it would have been such an

1032
00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:28,800
amazing thing Rob in terms of

1033
00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:31,500
international cooperation and on such a

1034
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,619
subject even the Vatican a couple of

1035
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:38,369
years ago one of the Vatican astronomers

1036
00:50:34,619 --> 00:50:40,800
offered to baptize any aliens who might

1037
00:50:38,369 --> 00:50:42,809
want to be baptized well that's a little

1038
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,060
arrogant I mean you know a spaceship

1039
00:50:42,809 --> 00:50:47,039
comes down in the Vatican and you go up

1040
00:50:45,059 --> 00:50:49,650
to them and you say we would you like us

1041
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:53,460
to baptize you I mean what religion are

1042
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:56,010
you on your planet but the Vatican has

1043
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:58,588
actually said and come out that that

1044
00:50:56,010 --> 00:51:00,930
they would not be against the idea that

1045
00:50:58,588 --> 00:51:03,088
we have brothers and sisters who live

1046
00:51:00,929 --> 00:51:06,239
somewhere else they say it would just

1047
00:51:03,088 --> 00:51:08,219
expand God's universe

1048
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,500
instead of diminishing it and I like

1049
00:51:08,219 --> 00:51:13,529
that you know we are part of a galactic

1050
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:17,820
neighborhood let's all play together is

1051
00:51:13,530 --> 00:51:20,100
a and I think the ex president ronald

1052
00:51:17,820 --> 00:51:22,920
reagan said something similar to that

1053
00:51:20,099 --> 00:51:25,889
effect it also in front of the United

1054
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:28,019
Nations right he said yeah yeah in one

1055
00:51:25,889 --> 00:51:30,960
of the speeches he had he had been

1056
00:51:28,019 --> 00:51:32,219
talking about how the world needs to

1057
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,519
come together I don't know the exact

1058
00:51:32,219 --> 00:51:37,199
wording but how all the local little

1059
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:39,300
differences would disappear if an alien

1060
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:42,868
species would make contact or something

1061
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:44,970
yeah dude I did I think that was a

1062
00:51:42,869 --> 00:51:47,160
couple of years after your I'm not sure

1063
00:51:44,969 --> 00:51:49,889
exactly when it was somewhere in the 80s

1064
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:53,250
do you think he made it another try to

1065
00:51:49,889 --> 00:51:55,920
approach this subject or was it just

1066
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:59,489
fine uh well I'm not sure you know

1067
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:02,480
Ronald Reagan once said that he saw a

1068
00:51:59,489 --> 00:52:07,109
UFO outside of his plane Jimmy Carter

1069
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:09,840
filed an actual official UFO report Bill

1070
00:52:07,110 --> 00:52:14,519
Clinton when he was president tried to

1071
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:19,980
get information about UFOs Gerald Ford

1072
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:22,590
when he was still a congressman tried to

1073
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:26,639
get a congressional investigation about

1074
00:52:22,590 --> 00:52:29,700
UFOs so this is this is not anything new

1075
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:32,719
that presidents have been interested in

1076
00:52:29,699 --> 00:52:35,460
UFOs but in the last few

1077
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:38,129
administration's we don't seem to have

1078
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:39,480
somebody who feels that way although at

1079
00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:43,260
least thinks that it's important enough

1080
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:45,150
to pursue it which is weird because

1081
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:49,260
you'd think that a president would want

1082
00:52:45,150 --> 00:52:51,539
to to at least go along with the will or

1083
00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:53,160
the desires of the majority of the

1084
00:52:51,539 --> 00:52:55,800
people and it is the majority of

1085
00:52:53,159 --> 00:53:01,500
Americans who believe that UFOs are real

1086
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:03,510
and are from someplace else okay so yeah

1087
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:06,539
so we all we can do is hope that the

1088
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:08,280
whole subject will be um started all

1089
00:53:06,539 --> 00:53:09,900
over again maybe at the in front of the

1090
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,840
United Nations maybe with the help of

1091
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:16,380
chili are you um are you already in

1092
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:18,750
touch with them discussing things or

1093
00:53:16,380 --> 00:53:19,400
yeah well I I've been in touch with with

1094
00:53:18,750 --> 00:53:21,920
the

1095
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:25,278
that when when we met we were both

1096
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,798
speakers at the UFO Congress in Arizona

1097
00:53:25,278 --> 00:53:30,500
and he and I had a chance to have a

1098
00:53:27,798 --> 00:53:32,690
private meeting because I did I wanted

1099
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:35,750
to do an interview with him so that I

1100
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:38,900
would have his thoughts on tape and and

1101
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:39,980
he would like to work with me and

1102
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:44,000
basically he would like to work with

1103
00:53:39,980 --> 00:53:46,490
anybody who is serious enough to want to

1104
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,980
get this information out one of the one

1105
00:53:46,489 --> 00:53:51,199
of the things in fact my new story

1106
00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:54,440
that's up right now on the huffington

1107
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:57,169
post is is about Anthony an airline

1108
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:00,470
pilot who had an encounter very close

1109
00:53:57,170 --> 00:54:02,298
encounter almost 40 years ago but he

1110
00:54:00,469 --> 00:54:05,929
didn't tell anybody about it for almost

1111
00:54:02,298 --> 00:54:09,048
40 years and he gave me an exclusive

1112
00:54:05,929 --> 00:54:11,899
story about the encounter and he filed a

1113
00:54:09,048 --> 00:54:15,588
report last year with dr. Richard Haines

1114
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:18,400
and Richard Haines is a former NASA

1115
00:54:15,588 --> 00:54:21,230
research scientist and he's in charge of

1116
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:24,410
of a national actually an international

1117
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:27,940
organization called mark app we're Kiki

1118
00:54:24,409 --> 00:54:32,210
deals specifically with airline and

1119
00:54:27,940 --> 00:54:34,130
commercial and private pilots who want

1120
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:39,139
to come forward and talk about their UFO

1121
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:44,059
sightings and his concern is that he

1122
00:54:39,139 --> 00:54:46,759
wants to make flying more safe for the

1123
00:54:44,059 --> 00:54:50,539
flying public because there is the

1124
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:53,930
potential a safety issue so many pilots

1125
00:54:50,539 --> 00:54:56,510
have reported UFO s coming close to

1126
00:54:53,929 --> 00:55:00,288
their aircraft and the pilots didn't

1127
00:54:56,510 --> 00:55:03,260
know how to respond but dr. Haines says

1128
00:55:00,289 --> 00:55:04,849
that the the airline industry they don't

1129
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:06,559
want to hear this they don't want to go

1130
00:55:04,849 --> 00:55:08,778
public and acknowledge that there were

1131
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:11,839
UFOs because that would not be good for

1132
00:55:08,778 --> 00:55:15,380
business if if the public felt that

1133
00:55:11,838 --> 00:55:18,170
flying was potentially dangerous so

1134
00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:20,119
there are a lot of issues about UFOs and

1135
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:22,579
reporting of UFOs that people just

1136
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:25,010
aren't aware of its it's bigger than the

1137
00:55:22,579 --> 00:55:29,298
most people think and there's still a

1138
00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:32,750
lot a long way to go right oh yes and I

1139
00:55:29,298 --> 00:55:35,599
you know I hope that that in my lifetime

1140
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:38,900
in your lifetime in everybody's life

1141
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:42,500
time that we live to the day where we

1142
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:45,680
see some kind of acceptance of UFOs and

1143
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:49,429
some kind of formal contact I mean I

1144
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:50,929
want Star Trek to happen yeah me too and

1145
00:55:49,429 --> 00:55:54,679
I think we could we could definitely

1146
00:55:50,929 --> 00:55:58,730
need some help from from a little gray

1147
00:55:54,679 --> 00:56:01,429
friends right okay so thank you very

1148
00:55:58,730 --> 00:56:03,710
muchly for for taking the time for this

1149
00:56:01,429 --> 00:56:06,139
interview and for showing us the the

1150
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:08,449
background of this whole amazing story

1151
00:56:06,139 --> 00:56:11,420
that took place back in December 1978

1152
00:56:08,449 --> 00:56:13,279
thank you so much thank you rob and and

1153
00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:14,990
and good luck for your future actions on

1154
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,010
this I hope you keep me off up to up to

1155
00:56:14,989 --> 00:56:21,919
date and I hope we will hear all about

1156
00:56:18,010 --> 00:56:23,720
chilis united nations approach when they

1157
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:28,099
are it comes out i hope i hope so too

1158
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:30,250
yes okay thank you so much okay bye bye

1159
00:56:28,099 --> 00:56:30,250
bye

1160
00:56:34,179 --> 00:56:36,239
you